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6 17:00:51 <bdbaddog> Good evening Greg!
7 17:02:04 <GregNoel> Hey, all; I don't see Steven, although he said he would make it. Shall we give him a couple of minutes?
8 17:02:14 <bdbaddog> Sure.
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10 17:04:47 <sgk> yo
11 17:04:56 <GregNoel> And here he is; shall we get started?
12 17:05:16 <bdbaddog> +1
13 17:05:19 <sgk> let's do it
14 17:05:27 <GregNoel> 2545 consensus anytime p4 Greg
15 17:05:27 <GregNoel> 2627 consensus 2.1 p2 Steven
16 17:05:27 <GregNoel> 2628 needs a priority, but otherwise consensus research Steven; how about p3?
17 17:05:38 <sgk> p3 sounds good
18 17:05:58 <bdbaddog> +1
19 17:06:05 <Jason_at_Intel> +1
20 17:06:04 <GregNoel> done
21 17:06:18 <GregNoel> 2630 needs a priority, but otherwise consensus research Steven; how about p2?
22 17:06:28 <sgk> how about 2629?
23 17:06:58 <GregNoel> oops, yes 2629; getting ahead of myself
24 17:06:48 <sgk> since i took the 2628 (and likely 2630), how about 2629 => garyo?
25 17:07:26 <sgk> seems like he already looked at it, and he can kick it back if it's a problem
26 17:07:25 <GregNoel> works for me; what priority?
27 17:07:48 <sgk> since it's related to batching, p2
28 17:08:42 <sgk> maybe with a note inviting kicking it to me if it looks too tied to the other batching things
29 17:08:36 <GregNoel> no other opinion, done
30 17:08:43 <sgk> done
31 17:08:46 <GregNoel> try 26eo?
32 17:08:54 <GregNoel> 2630?
33 17:08:55 <sgk> 26eo: p2
34 17:09:04 <sgk> :-)
35 17:09:18 <bdbaddog> +1
36 17:09:23 <GregNoel> done
37 17:09:35 <GregNoel> 2631 consensus 2.1 p3 Rob
38 17:09:35 <GregNoel> 2632 consensus 2.1 p3 Rob
39 17:09:35 <GregNoel> 2633
40 17:10:03 <sgk> any barriers to inviting anatoly to update directly?
41 17:10:18 * sgk looks again at the bug itself...
42 17:10:45 <GregNoel> I'd like him to pass his changes by a native speaker before he commits, but otherwise no problem for me.
43 17:10:55 <sgk> agreed re: editing
44 17:10:57 <GregNoel> I'll volunteer to be his editor.
45 17:11:01 <sgk> that could be either you or me
46 17:11:04 <sgk> you
47 17:11:06 <sgk> thnx
48 17:11:10 <GregNoel> or you...
49 17:11:16 <sgk> no backs!
50 17:11:25 <GregNoel> or even both, depending on who's available.
51 17:11:37 <sgk> both sounds reasonable
52 17:12:04 <GregNoel> OK, I'll make him a committer and close the issue... hmmm, what status?
53 17:12:36 <sgk> depending on his cycles... 2.0 would be nice... p2?
54 17:12:38 <sgk> maybe even p1?
55 17:12:47 <sgk> there's a window of opportunity with 2.0 going out the door
56 17:13:09 <GregNoel> OK, I'll assign him the issue.
57 17:13:27 <GregNoel> 2.0 p1 tech<esc>
58 17:13:40 <sgk> done
59 17:14:02 <GregNoel> 2634
60 17:14:20 <sgk> garyo, ask for confirmation, close in two weeks if none?
61 17:14:37 <Jason_at_Intel> agreed
62 17:15:15 <bdbaddog> +1
63 17:15:16 <GregNoel> I can ask when I post the issues, but I'll assign it to Gary so he'll stay in the loop.
64 17:15:55 <sgk> okay
65 17:15:22 <GregNoel> done
66 17:15:37 <GregNoel> 2635
67 17:16:10 <sgk> does david cournapeau have any cycles for 2635?
68 17:16:27 <sgk> assign to him, ask for it back if he's still mired in finishing his thesis?
69 17:16:30 <GregNoel> Unfortunately, I have to admit my first language was FORTRAN, but David would be a better choice.
70 17:17:17 <sgk> let's give him a crack at it then
71 17:17:27 <GregNoel> OK, I'll do that, but if he can't, I'll take it (but not at a high priority). (I think he won't be done until late June.)
72 17:17:37 <sgk> agreed
73 17:17:37 <sgk> thnx
74 17:17:40 <GregNoel> done
75 17:18:06 <GregNoel> 2636
76 17:18:00 <sgk> 2636: i'm very much out of the loop on the packaging stuff, will go with consensus
77 17:18:21 <GregNoel> What happened to the student who wrote it?
78 17:18:30 <sgk> no idea
79 17:18:33 <sgk> was garyo mentor?
80 17:19:00 <GregNoel> Hmmm... Not me, so probably him.
81 17:19:16 <sgk> assign to garyo to follow up with student?
82 17:19:24 <GregNoel> good idea
83 17:19:54 <GregNoel> what milestone, priority?
84 17:20:02 <sgk> 2.1 p3 ?
85 17:20:59 <bdbaddog> +1
86 17:21:13 <Jason_at_Intel> +1
87 17:21:13 <GregNoel> I guess that's OK; he can ask for it to be changed if need be. 2.2 might be better.
88 17:21:26 <sgk> done
89 17:21:24 <GregNoel> done
90 17:21:34 <GregNoel> 1.3.doc I'd like to declare 2.0.0.beta.20100531 the release candidate and reopen the trunk for 2.1 development. Since we have no documented flow for cherry-picking changesets from the trunk, I'm reluctant to say that these documentation issues could go in 2.0.
91 17:21:34 <GregNoel> I have a background project to SConsify the current build scheme, so I've been working through the release flow in detail. It's a mess, but I think I know what the flow should be; I could write up how to do the cherry-picking.
92 17:21:34 <GregNoel> But no matter what, I think Steven should make the assignments and then get hard-nosed about nagging to see that it gets done. Otherwise it won't get done in time for 3.0...
93 17:22:09 <sgk> "...see that it gets done..." it == ?
94 17:22:16 <sgk> the doc issues ?
95 17:22:23 <GregNoel> yes
96 17:22:54 <sgk> (break for shuttle in a few minutes)
97 17:23:07 <GregNoel> The antecedent is "assignments" so it should be "them." Mea culpa.
98 17:23:43 <sgk> i can do some assigning, but not sure who's in the volunteer pool
99 17:24:04 <sgk> (shuttle coming, biab)
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101 17:27:36 <GregNoel> techtonik, are you here?
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103 17:28:13 <sgk> back (i think)
104 17:28:14 <GregNoel> Maybe it would be a good test for techtonik (if you're reading, would you be willing to try?); it's clearly documentation that needs to be done.
105 17:28:49 <sgk> what'd i miss?
106 17:29:06 <bdbaddog> nada
107 17:29:12 <GregNoel> dead silence...
108 17:29:19 <sgk> heh
109 17:29:30 <bdbaddog> long day IRL
110 17:30:33 <sgk> okay, how about i just take a stab at reassigning the doc issues then
111 17:30:36 <sgk> might be random to start
112 17:30:39 <bdbaddog> so should we change the bootstrap logic to have a beta level ?
113 17:30:42 <sgk> but people can balk and then i can correct
114 17:30:54 <bdbaddog> and/or RC ?
115 17:31:12 <sgk> bdbaddog: not sure what you mean
116 17:31:16 <bdbaddog> so bootstrap.py CHECKPOINT=beta|RC
117 17:31:22 <bdbaddog> in addition to d,r
118 17:31:31 <sgk> i already changed ".alpha." => to ".beta." in the SConstruct file
119 17:31:38 <sgk> for this last checkpoint
120 17:31:50 <sgk> but i just did it by hand, no configurability
121 17:31:40 <bdbaddog> k
122 17:31:57 <GregNoel> No, I'm about to check in something that will fix that, but I'm still testing it.
123 17:32:09 <sgk> cool
124 17:32:30 <sgk> are all of the 1.3.x fixes in the current .beta.20100531 checkpoint?
125 17:32:36 <bdbaddog> nope.
126 17:32:45 <bdbaddog> I need to merge the MSVC stuff over.
127 17:33:16 <bdbaddog> should I do by hand, or would svnmerge be useful for this? though it would be a cherry pick of course.
128 17:33:50 <sgk> svnmerge can cherry pick
129 17:33:56 <sgk> just specify the revisions with -r
130 17:34:16 <GregNoel> I've got a partially-complete wiki page on how to cherry-pick; I can finish it and post it.
131 17:34:43 <bdbaddog> k. that'd be great
132 17:34:48 <GregNoel> Yes, it uses svnmerge
133 17:35:15 <sgk> very cool
134 17:35:19 <GregNoel> Give me a day or two to finish it and try it out.
135 17:35:31 <bdbaddog> hmm. o.k .was going to give it a wack tonight.
136 17:35:44 <sgk> bdbaddog: are the 1.3.x changes in the latest checkpoint? that is, they've gotten air time?
137 17:36:01 <bdbaddog> lateste 1.3 checkpoint yes.
138 17:36:14 <bdbaddog> though there's one bug or email about some initialization issues on vista.
139 17:36:41 <sgk> right, that's the one garyo replied to earlier today, yes?
140 17:36:48 <bdbaddog> yes
141 17:37:50 <sgk> if we take these in 2.0, do we need another checkpoint for them, or do we go with it?
142 17:38:16 <GregNoel> I'd rather not have another checkpoint.
143 17:38:47 <GregNoel> In fact, I'd rather go with the current checkpoint.
144 17:39:05 <sgk> i'm really loathe to ship something that regresses from 1.3.x
145 17:39:23 <sgk> especially in an area like the Windows initialization
146 17:39:11 <bdbaddog> ditto
147 17:40:10 <GregNoel> I am, too, but I've promised that 2.0.0 would be out on Flag Day; unless we put out another checkpoint this weekend, there's no way.
148 17:39:38 <bdbaddog> I can do the merge, and push out another checkpoint tonight/tomorrow?
149 17:39:44 <Jason_at_Intel> There seems to be a lot of issues with msvc.. I don't think people want this to get worse
150 17:40:12 <Jason_at_Intel> 2.0 should make it better or be the same as 1.3
151 17:41:07 <sgk> bdbaddog: i like your idea
152 17:41:25 <sgk> garyo is (i think) on vacation this week, any chance someone else can look at the outstanding vista issue?
153 17:41:46 <bdbaddog> sure. I can respond with the guy.
154 17:42:50 <sgk> thnx
155 17:43:08 <GregNoel> sgk, can you assign the doc issues and see how many can be done this week? See if some can get in the checkpoint? Maybe delay a checkpoint until Friday or so?
156 17:43:11 <sgk> i'll try to be online tonight, so if there's anything i can help with, le tme know
157 17:43:18 <bdbaddog> will do.
158 17:43:42 <bdbaddog> GregNoel - can u point me to your cherry picking page? is it useful though incomplete at this point?
159 17:44:16 <GregNoel> It's on my home wiki...
160 17:45:03 <GregNoel> I need a day to clean it up, at least; too many notes to self to be useful
161 17:45:11 <bdbaddog> http://scons.org/wiki/GregNoel
162 17:45:14 <bdbaddog> there?
163 17:45:52 <GregNoel> http://localhost:8000/
164 17:46:38 <bdbaddog> ahh. yeah.. that's hard to get to from here.. ;)
165 17:47:04 <GregNoel> Only three firewalls to get through...
166 17:47:24 <bdbaddog> oh.. I thought you'd make it a real challenge.. ;)
167 17:47:43 <bdbaddog> Any other items for today?
168 17:48:18 <GregNoel> sgk, will you reassign the doc issues?
169 17:48:31 <sgk> yes
170 17:48:48 <GregNoel> Can you do it tonight?
171 17:49:33 <sgk> i think so
172 17:49:41 <sgk> tomorrow morning otherwise
173 17:49:52 <GregNoel> If we get them to people tonight, we might get some back for the next checkpoint.
174 17:50:52 <sgk> okay, if we finish here soon i may have time right now
175 17:51:47 <GregNoel> I don't think we have anything else... And my TiVo is sick; I need to go troubleshoot it.
176 17:52:03 <bdbaddog> k. sounds good to me.
177 17:52:04 <sgk> anyone have anything else to discuss?
178 17:52:17 <Jason_at_Intel> not here at the moment
179 17:52:26 <bdbaddog> nope.
180 17:52:35 <sgk> all right then, I'll peel off and go scatter some documentation issues to the wind
181 17:52:36 <GregNoel> Looks like we're done, so g'night all...
182 17:52:51 <Jason_at_Intel> bye
183 17:52:54 <bdbaddog> gnight as well
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