1 17:30:10 * garyo-home (n=chatzill@209-6-158-38.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #scons
2 17:30:24 <garyo-home> hi guys
3 17:30:47 <GregNoel> Hi, Gary.
4 17:31:20 <GregNoel> Steven's laptop went to sleep a few minutes ago, so I suspect he's on the way to the shuttle.
5 17:31:24 <garyo-home> Just waiting for Steven I think
6 17:32:25 * stevenknight (n=stevenkn@67.218.107.200) has joined #scons
7 17:33:09 <garyo-home> and here he is now. Hi Steven!
8 17:33:15 <stevenknight> hey
9 17:33:25 <garyo-home> OK to start?
10 17:33:32 <stevenknight> good by me
11 17:33:48 <garyo-home> So 2393 is clearly my bug, I'll figure out what's going on there.
12 17:33:54 <garyo-home> I've reproduced it.
13 17:34:08 <GregNoel> done
14 17:34:29 <stevenknight> done
15 17:34:42 <GregNoel> 2394, +dmd?
16 17:34:45 <garyo-home> 2394: Greg, why do you think Bill's patch won't work?
17 17:35:07 <GregNoel> It just makes sure the library doesn't occur more than once.
18 17:34:59 <garyo-home> oh wait, I see now
19 17:35:03 <stevenknight> +dmd ++
20 17:35:09 <garyo-home> Ok, I agree
21 17:35:14 <GregNoel> When?
22 17:35:33 <stevenknight> 2.x p3
23 17:35:24 <garyo-home> Can Bill take it?
24 17:35:39 <stevenknight> i'm okay with giving it to bill
25 17:35:41 <garyo-home> ok w/ me
26 17:35:50 <GregNoel> OK, we'll try it.
27 17:35:45 <stevenknight> not sure if he'll be okay with it tho
28 17:35:54 <stevenknight> the last one was just applying someone else's patch
29 17:36:09 <stevenknight> so it's not like he's a dmd guy or anything
30 17:36:12 <stevenknight> still, let's try it
31 17:36:14 <GregNoel> right
32 17:36:19 <garyo-home> Probably the OP will tell him that it didn't work and ask for more help.
33 17:36:39 * stevenknight takes 10x the words to say what Greg says, as usual... :-)
34 17:37:00 * GregNoel types too slowly to do otherwise
35 17:37:00 <stevenknight> yeah, leave it with bill until further notice, then
36 17:37:11 <GregNoel> done
37 17:37:21 <stevenknight> done
38 17:37:29 <GregNoel> 2395
39 17:37:33 <garyo-home> 2395: I now agree w/ you guys, need config, ask OP for patch
40 17:37:43 <stevenknight> k
41 17:37:53 <stevenknight> i think this should be collected with the other symlink ones
42 17:37:53 <GregNoel> no, not +symlink
43 17:38:00 <stevenknight> why not?
44 17:38:30 <GregNoel> it's just an option to copytree(); it doesn't have to do with making symlinks first-class objects
45 17:39:04 <stevenknight> hmm, okay
46 17:39:04 <stevenknight> i guess
47 17:39:10 <garyo-home> More I think about it the more I realize neither way is better, I can make valid cases for either one. Flag is necessary.
48 17:39:12 <garyo-home> IMHO
49 17:39:53 <GregNoel> I don't know if you can have flags on Actions, but that's the obvious solution.
50 17:39:21 <stevenknight> i see the technical distinction
51 17:39:32 <stevenknight> but not sure if users care
52 17:39:40 <stevenknight> okay, not +symlink
53 17:39:48 <stevenknight> ask OP to contribute
54 17:40:11 <GregNoel> yes, agreed, ask OP
55 17:40:23 <stevenknight> do we need any more categorization?
56 17:40:46 <garyo-home> i don't think so
57 17:40:50 <GregNoel> ditto
58 17:40:52 <stevenknight> okay, done
59 17:41:00 <GregNoel> 2396
60 17:41:22 <GregNoel> Dearth of comments on this one... {;-}
61 17:41:48 <garyo-home> Greg: your only reservation is the string join, right?
62 17:41:51 <stevenknight> had trouble looking at the patch
63 17:41:51 <GregNoel> Ah, I see, wrong row...
64 17:42:01 <garyo-home> (sorry, just fixed my comment)
65 17:42:14 <stevenknight> and bad network lag w/Firefox on the bus now...
66 17:42:19 <GregNoel> yes, the string join; I don't know if this can run on 2.2 or before.
67 17:42:41 <garyo-home> I think since it's a patch to a previous patch we should get it in sooner.
68 17:43:37 <stevenknight> agreed re: sooner if we broke something in a recent patch
69 17:42:48 <stevenknight> string joins are usually easy to convert to old syntax...
70 17:43:04 <garyo-home> Sure, trivial.
71 17:43:13 <GregNoel> +Easy for sure
72 17:43:20 <stevenknight> so 1.3 p2 ?
73 17:43:30 <GregNoel> works; who?
74 17:44:43 <garyo-home> I'm heading out soon for a week so I'm not the right person for this one. I'd commit it if there were a test though.
75 17:44:59 <stevenknight> give it to me
76 17:45:05 <GregNoel> done
77 17:45:28 <GregNoel> (Although I hate to interfere with 1.3-RC.)
78 17:45:33 <stevenknight> 2397: consensus
79 17:45:41 <garyo-home> ok
80 17:45:48 <GregNoel> done
81 17:46:00 <garyo-home> 2398 consensus too?
82 17:46:06 <GregNoel> 2398, also consensus
83 17:47:04 <GregNoel> 2399, Gary, I agree with your comment, which is why I said it's not obvious to find...
84 17:47:25 <garyo-home> I could take this one as long as it's not high priority.
85 17:47:37 <garyo-home> I have a Mac and understand that part of the code.
86 17:47:59 <GregNoel> For 2.x p3, I'm not going to worry about who gets it.
87 17:48:18 <garyo-home> ok, good.
88 17:48:25 <garyo-home> esp. if it's +Easy
89 17:48:20 <stevenknight> is there any more useful information the OP could provide?
90 17:49:05 <garyo-home> Steven: could ask for small testcase, but otoh I haven't tried it.
91 17:49:38 <GregNoel> I'll mention that in the note assigning it to you
92 17:49:49 <stevenknight> sounds good
93 17:49:51 <stevenknight> done
94 17:49:51 <garyo-home> I think it'll either be easy to repro, or we'll have to get more info (in which case it could be user error)
95 17:50:32 <GregNoel> On to 2004?
96 17:50:48 <stevenknight> yeah
97 17:50:53 <stevenknight> i didn't get to the spreadsheet, though
98 17:50:59 <garyo-home> sorry me neither
99 17:51:08 <GregNoel> I'm only half-way
100 17:51:15 <garyo-home> 743 is wontfix though.
101 17:51:20 <stevenknight> let's make what progress we can
102 17:51:22 <stevenknight> 743: wontfix
103 17:51:38 <GregNoel> done
104 17:51:43 <stevenknight> the part of me that wants to do *everything* Make can do doesn't like it
105 17:51:51 <stevenknight> but it's definitely not high enough priority
106 17:51:59 <garyo-home> not nearly high enough!
107 17:52:14 <stevenknight> 744: i'll get the patch off sourceforge
108 17:52:35 <GregNoel> I'll assign it to you; assign it back when the patch is there.
109 17:52:48 <stevenknight> done
110 17:53:34 <stevenknight> 765: 2.x, p2, stevenknight, packaging
111 17:53:47 <stevenknight> note re: someone else taking it if we find a better packaging guru
112 17:53:49 <garyo-home> 765: could be research to see if it still happens
113 17:54:07 <stevenknight> garyo-home: good point
114 17:54:07 <GregNoel> point
115 17:54:31 <GregNoel> I like research, I guess
116 17:54:36 <stevenknight> okay, research
117 17:54:42 <GregNoel> done
118 17:54:42 <stevenknight> more likely it'll get off the plate sooner
119 17:55:08 <stevenknight> 767: yeah, already fixed
120 17:55:25 <stevenknight> when we changed the default behavior w/the sig refactoring
121 17:55:25 <GregNoel> FIXED, then?
122 17:55:26 <garyo-home> ok
123 17:55:32 <stevenknight> yes
124 17:55:35 <GregNoel> done
125 17:56:26 <GregNoel> 768
126 17:56:31 <stevenknight> (trying to pull it up)
127 17:56:32 <garyo-home> 768 is really asking for Install with perms I think.
128 17:56:42 <GregNoel> yes
129 17:57:06 <garyo-home> That's a useful suggestion and there's a wrapper builder on the wiki for it.
130 17:57:34 <garyo-home> I recommend closing this one and adding an enh req for Install with perms.
131 17:57:40 <garyo-home> (unless there's already one)
132 17:57:45 <stevenknight> seems like some other bug in our voluminous list should cover this topic more generally
133 17:58:01 <stevenknight> i like closing and opening an Install-with-perms issue
134 17:58:10 <GregNoel> That would be 'automake' compatibility.
135 17:58:19 <garyo-home> yes, in a way
136 17:59:34 <GregNoel> wontfix? invalid? something else?
137 18:00:01 <garyo-home> doesn't much matter as long as there's a comment explaining why. wontfix.
138 18:00:09 <stevenknight> wontfix
139 18:00:12 <GregNoel> done
140 18:00:36 <GregNoel> 780
141 18:00:49 <garyo-home> invalid.
142 18:00:54 <stevenknight> 780: actually, iirc, this was deceptively difficult when I tried to look at it awhile ago
143 18:01:19 <stevenknight> the obvious solutions had side effects due to our tangled web of builder subtypes
144 18:01:19 <garyo-home> (Also, I fixed the EEXIST mkdir error that would have occurred if he had made a proper Action here.)
145 18:01:59 <stevenknight> i could be misremembering though
146 18:02:20 <garyo-home> I believe it
147 18:02:46 <stevenknight> how about 2.x p3 stevenknight, then?
148 18:03:23 * GregNoel will defer to the experts
149 18:03:25 <stevenknight> or research, to characterize whether it is or isn't easy
150 18:03:26 <garyo-home> to fix the doc?
151 18:04:08 <stevenknight> or to fix the doc
152 18:04:10 <stevenknight> yeah, research, me
153 18:05:06 <GregNoel> Gary concurs?
154 18:05:13 <garyo-home> sure.
155 18:05:16 <GregNoel> done
156 18:05:21 <stevenknight> done
157 18:05:30 <garyo-home> 790: we'd need more info or a mingw expert to fix this.
158 18:06:06 * GregNoel will defer to the experts again
159 18:06:40 * stevenknight can't get firefox to stop going non-responsive
160 18:07:23 <stevenknight> gary, any thoughts? I can't pull up anything right now
161 18:07:53 <garyo-home> I don't think any of us know enough to write a patch for this issue, we'd need more info.
162 18:08:13 * stevenknight tries shutting down firefox to start from scratch
163 18:08:54 <stevenknight> is the OP identifiable as an active user?
164 18:09:27 * garyo-home goes to check
165 18:09:45 <garyo-home> nope.
166 18:09:53 <garyo-home> pre-Tigris I guess
167 18:10:20 <stevenknight> either assign it as research to someone (me) or else defer to next time
168 18:10:41 <stevenknight> i may be able to get advice from co-workers
169 18:10:42 <GregNoel> or close it? Five years old...
170 18:10:56 <garyo-home> tempting indeed.
171 18:10:33 <garyo-home> do you have mingw?
172 18:10:58 <stevenknight> no
173 18:11:00 <stevenknight> i try to keep my Windows systems vanilla,
174 18:12:15 <stevenknight> defer this one to next time and let's move on?
175 18:12:20 <GregNoel> done
176 18:12:29 <GregNoel> 797, what he _wants_ to do is bind shannon.so to the wrapper library, but what he's _trying_ to do is put shannon.so inside the wrapper library.
177 18:12:29 <GregNoel> I know the latter is bogus and I don't think we have any handy way to do the former.
178 18:13:01 <garyo-home> Right, the workaround is as always attributes.shared=1, which is not ideal
179 18:13:21 <stevenknight> damn, shuttle stop < 1 min.
180 18:13:40 <GregNoel> Damn, I wanted to ask about schedule...
181 18:13:52 <stevenknight> i thought our answer was setting STATIC_AND_SHARED_ARE_THE_SAME
182 18:13:57 <stevenknight> or whatever that big long variable name is
183 18:14:22 <garyo-home> steven: that's not quite the same, he's adding a .so as a source, and that's not tagged.
184 18:14:31 <stevenknight> ah
185 18:14:44 <stevenknight> Greg, i can IRC later tonight
186 18:14:49 <stevenknight> or we can try for tomorrow
187 18:15:12 <GregNoel> good, when? Pizza is arriving for me, but I'm free after that.
188 18:15:06 <stevenknight> send a time that's convenient for you in email
189 18:15:06 <garyo-home> I'm out next week, but actually I *can* do 2 wks from now.
190 18:15:22 <garyo-home> (wait, you're asking about release schedule, not bugparty schedule)
191 18:15:33 <stevenknight> gotta go... i'll check in when i get home
192 18:15:34 * stevenknight has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")
193 18:15:44 <GregNoel> What I can do is put all the issues together...
194 18:15:45 <garyo-home> I have to bow out too, but let me know what transpires.
195 18:15:57 <GregNoel> ... and everybody is gone...
196 18:15:58 <garyo-home> ok...
197 18:16:02 <garyo-home> no I'm still here
198 18:16:12 <GregNoel> going, going, ....
199 18:16:09 <garyo-home> what were you saying?
200 18:16:28 <garyo-home> you can put all the issues together and then what?
201 18:16:53 <GregNoel> We're so close to killing the backlog that I can just make all the old issues show up in the current stack for next time.
202 18:17:27 <garyo-home> That makes good sense to me.
203 18:17:28 <GregNoel> If you're going to be here in two weeks, that would give < 30 issues
204 18:17:39 <GregNoel> A lot for one sitting, but possible.
205 18:17:48 <garyo-home> I will be here. (Thought I had a school meeting but it was changed.)
206 18:18:13 <GregNoel> OK, I'll make the next meeting in two weeks.
207 18:18:06 <garyo-home> If I can get to the spreadsheet that'll help of course
208 18:18:37 <GregNoel> And the spreadsheet is always good to do...
209 18:18:45 <garyo-home> :-)
210 18:18:26 <garyo-home> Enjoy your pizza.
211 18:18:51 <GregNoel> Thanks, I will. CUL
212 18:18:55 <garyo-home> bye
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