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   3 18:38:46 <stevenknight>	hello
   4 18:38:52 <GregNoel>	Hi, stevenknight; Gary's not here yet
   5 18:39:04 <stevenknight>	okay
   6 18:39:16 <stevenknight>	bdbaddog said he'd probably show up but would be a little late too
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   8 18:51:18 <bdbaddog>	Good evening all!
   9 18:52:05 <GregNoel>	Hi, Bill; Steven's in and out; Gary's not here yet.
  10 18:52:35 <bdbaddog>	K.
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  12 19:04:59 <garyo-home>	Hi guys
  13 19:05:10 <GregNoel>	Hi, welcome; we're all here.
  14 19:05:16 <garyo-home>	great!
  15 19:05:30 <garyo-home>	Sorry I was late.
  16 19:05:34 <GregNoel>	np
  17 19:06:27 <garyo-home>	So, what's on the agenda this evening?
  18 19:06:28 <GregNoel>	Are we ready to go?  I think 2294 is up.
  19 19:07:40 <GregNoel>	Gary, what did you find?
  20 19:08:12 <garyo-home>	I just tried his testcase on the scons.org machine, and it's reproducible.
  21 19:08:25 <garyo-home>	Didn't go beyond that.
  22 19:08:19 <stevenknight>	garyo-home:  disk space is fine
  23 19:08:40 <stevenknight>	i checked our stats and we're well w/in limits now
  24 19:09:03 <garyo-home>	stevenknight: thanks.
  25 19:08:48 <garyo-home>	I could probably fix it, but I think unless it's a regression we should push it out, it's not that serious.
  26 19:09:13 <GregNoel>	I'm puzzled why no output shows up for me; that's really strange.
  27 19:09:23 <GregNoel>	but yes, I agree that it's a lower priority.
  28 19:09:28 <garyo-home>	Where did you try it?
  29 19:09:34 <GregNoel>	On my Mac.
  30 19:10:00 <garyo-home>	SConf is a black art to me.
  31 19:10:07 <GregNoel>	Ditto.
  32 19:10:11 <stevenknight>	Ditto ditto
  33 19:10:25 <GregNoel>	Why do you think I want to replace it?
  34 19:10:34 <stevenknight>	+1 to that
  35 19:10:41 <garyo-home>	But I bet it wouldn't be that hard to debug.  Anyway, 2.1 or so, p3?
  36 19:10:50 <GregNoel>	2.x p4
  37 19:11:02 <garyo-home>	fine w me too.
  38 19:11:04 <stevenknight>	2.x p4 is good by me
  39 19:11:16 <GregNoel>	done.  On to the schedule?
  40 19:11:23 <stevenknight>	2294:  2.x p4 done
  41 19:11:48 <garyo-home>	ok, sounds fine.
  42 19:11:53 <stevenknight>	schedule first, then 2005q1?
  43 19:12:02 <GregNoel>	yes.
  44 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	Here's the schedule report card:
  45 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	The theory---
  46 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	1.2 has been released, as of 21 December.
  47 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	A checkpoint was due 29 December.
  48 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	A checkpoint was due 12 January.
  49 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	A release candidate was due 19 January.
  50 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	1.3 was due 26 January.
  51 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	We should be releasing checkpoints toward 2.0.
  52 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	The actuality---
  53 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	There is still one bug not yet cleared from 1.2.
  54 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	A checkpoint was released on 13 January.
  55 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	Another checkpoint is needed for VS revamp, yes?
  56 19:12:05 <GregNoel>	Some soak time (two weeks), then a release candidate.
  57 19:12:06 <GregNoel>	The official release of 1.3 a week later.
  58 19:12:06 <GregNoel>	Three weeks and change, minimum; odds are 1.3 will be in March.
  59 19:12:06 <GregNoel>	Comments?
  60 19:12:27 <stevenknight>	yes re: vs_revamp checkpoint
  61 19:12:44 <stevenknight>	GregNoel:  sounds about right
  62 19:13:02 <garyo-home>	I'm in favor of vs_revamp asap.
  63 19:13:08 <bdbaddog>	+1
  64 19:13:25 <stevenknight>	i'm fixing broken tests as fast as i can
  65 19:13:28 <garyo-home>	Greg: what's the 1.2 uncleared bug?
  66 19:13:52 <GregNoel>	Belongs to Steven; didn't look beyond that.
  67 19:14:38 <stevenknight>	it's a scons.org bug re: adding scalable logos
  68 19:14:38 <garyo-home>	umm, it's 2058, scalable SVG logo for SCons.
  69 19:14:46 <stevenknight>	after making sure they're licensed appropriately
  70 19:14:52 <stevenknight>	i tried to reset it from 1.2 to 1.3 but couldn't
  71 19:15:06 <stevenknight>	i presume because of the scons.org component
  72 19:15:20 <garyo-home>	i see what you mean.
  73 19:15:26 <garyo-home>	ok, minor issue anyway.
  74 19:15:29 <GregNoel>	huh?
  75 19:15:50 <garyo-home>	there's no 1.3 in the dropdown list.
  76 19:16:12 <GregNoel>	scons.org shouldn't have a 1.2 component
  77 19:16:27 <garyo-home>	milestone you mean?
  78 19:16:27 <stevenknight>	not component, target milestone
  79 19:16:39 <GregNoel>	yes, milestone
  80 19:16:45 <stevenknight>	it has three in the dropdown:  -research-, 1.2 and 1.x
  81 19:16:46 <stevenknight>	that's all
  82 19:16:58 <GregNoel>	There should only be research.
  83 19:17:18 <GregNoel>	It's not keyed to the core release cycle.
  84 19:17:15 <garyo-home>	so, just redirect it to research then?
  85 19:17:23 <GregNoel>	yes, make it research
  86 19:17:23 <stevenknight>	okay, i'll change it to -research-; that'll take care of that
  87 19:17:32 <garyo-home>	ok, back to schedule.
  88 19:13:29 <stevenknight>	anyone else have cycles?
  89 19:13:44 <garyo-home>	How can I help, Steven?  I have vs2005 here.
  90 19:14:42 <bdbaddog>	I have some intra-build cycles.
  91 19:14:43 <GregNoel>	I'm trying to get the GSoC stuff in shape, also the TaskmasterNG, and then be ready to re-floor the sources; not many cycles for me, none to spare.
  92 19:18:05 <garyo-home>	Steven: we need to clear out some failing tests, right?  I saw some that looked like regex expectation mismatches, maybe I can look at those.
  93 19:18:08 <stevenknight>	done
  94 19:18:23 <stevenknight>	garyo-home:  that sounds good
  95 19:18:46 <stevenknight>	probably the most help right now is to at least check out vs_revamp
  96 19:18:56 <stevenknight>	and run all the tests on any Windows system available
  97 19:18:59 <garyo-home>	Are those the main hurdles to getting vs_revamp in?
  98 19:19:08 <stevenknight>	that and doc
  99 19:19:13 <bdbaddog>	ok. any special setups needed to do that, just qmtest right?
 100 19:19:20 <stevenknight>	and some tests that should be written, but we can probably let that slide
 101 19:19:30 <stevenknight>	you don't even absolutely have to have qmtest
 102 19:19:30 <GregNoel>	you don't even need QMTest
 103 19:19:40 <stevenknight>	runtest.py knows how to fall back and execute the tests without it
 104 19:19:52 <bdbaddog>	ok, but runs better with qmtest?
 105 19:19:51 <stevenknight>	QMTest is actually another thing I wouldn't mind getting rid of
 106 19:20:05 <stevenknight>	it doesn't have enough mindshare and we're not using any of its theoretic potential
 107 19:20:17 <stevenknight>	but that's a whole 'nother discussion...
 108 19:20:24 <GregNoel>	yes, later
 109 19:20:32 <garyo-home>	interesting opinion: I was thinking of using it at work as a test fwk.
 110 19:20:39 <garyo-home>	ok, I'll defer that q.
 111 19:20:36 <bdbaddog>	well besides wanting to get rid of it, will tests work better if it's installed?
 112 19:20:43 <garyo-home>	I'll do vs2005 and vs2003 by tomorrow and report the results, does that help?
 113 19:20:53 <stevenknight>	garyo-home:  yes, very much
 114 19:20:58 <GregNoel>	garyo-home ++
 115 19:20:55 <bdbaddog>	I have a VS2008express machine.
 116 19:21:04 <stevenknight>	bdbaddog++ too
 117 19:21:33 <garyo-home>	my buildbot crashed, sorry, I'm restarting it now.
 118 19:22:00 <stevenknight>	good news is that vs_revamp does look like it clears up the few remaining test failures i had on trunk
 119 19:22:09 <stevenknight>	so we should have green buildbots on Windows once it lands
 120 19:21:50 <bdbaddog>	Steven u have room for the dual quad core?
 121 19:22:22 <stevenknight>	bdbaddog:  ooh, tempting
 122 19:22:23 <stevenknight>	i might
 123 19:22:26 <stevenknight>	how big is the case?
 124 19:22:37 <bdbaddog>	hmm more or less full size tower.
 125 19:23:11 <stevenknight>	does it have a wifi card?  it wouldn't be close to my router
 126 19:23:13 <bdbaddog>	I can send you dimensions if you need them..;) dell poweredge sc1430 I think.
 127 19:23:16 <bdbaddog>	no wifi.
 128 19:23:20 <bdbaddog>	can get one.
 129 19:23:21 <stevenknight>	i could rustle one up i think
 130 19:23:36 <stevenknight>	let's sync up off line
 131 19:24:31 <bdbaddog>	k
 132 19:24:18 <stevenknight>	schedule: see if we can land vs_revamp on trunk by early next week?
 133 19:24:43 <garyo-home>	great w/ me.
 134 19:24:54 <GregNoel>	fine by me, although I don't use it
 135 19:24:56 <garyo-home>	I will see if I can try it on our real build too.
 136 19:25:28 <stevenknight>	cool
 137 19:25:53 <bdbaddog>	does this end up with the big delays that David mentioned on startup?
 138 19:25:57 <stevenknight>	just went and got my main windows laptop
 139 19:26:10 <stevenknight>	i have three test failures right now
 140 19:26:15 <stevenknight>	that don't show up on my system at work:
 141 19:26:30 <stevenknight>	src\engine\SCons\Tool\msvsTests.py
 142 19:27:05 <stevenknight>	--- issues w/retrieving default visual studio version on my home system
 143 19:27:18 <garyo-home>	msvsTests.py fails in the same way for me here.
 144 19:27:24 <stevenknight>	test\KeyboardInterrupt.py
 145 19:27:31 <GregNoel>	ouch
 146 19:27:51 <stevenknight>	-- not sure of cause yet
 147 19:28:01 <stevenknight>	test\option-j.py
 148 19:28:01 <GregNoel>	timing....
 149 19:28:15 <garyo-home>	KeyboardInterrupt fails reliably for me too here.
 150 19:28:17 <GregNoel>	also timing....
 151 19:28:35 <stevenknight>	possibly timing, not sure
 152 19:28:34 <garyo-home>	but it's not timing, it's looking for the mssdk. (?)
 153 19:28:50 <stevenknight>	sorry, test\option-j.py isn't timing
 154 19:29:05 <stevenknight>	it's in the part where it's testing fallback on Python versions that don't have threading
 155 19:29:16 <stevenknight>	which it does by dropping in a threading.py that just raises ImportError
 156 19:29:16 <GregNoel>	ah
 157 19:29:16 <garyo-home>	option-j fails w/ same stack trace as KeyboardInterrupt for me too.
 158 19:29:37 <stevenknight>	this interferes with the vs_revamp code that uses subprocess to try to execute the .bat script
 159 19:29:45 <bdbaddog>	do you guys have the activestate python, or python.org python?
 160 19:29:46 <stevenknight>	vcvars32.bat
 161 19:29:49 <bdbaddog>	and which versions?
 162 19:30:02 <garyo-home>	python.org, 2.5.2 for me
 163 19:30:07 <stevenknight>	python.org, 2.4.3
 164 19:30:17 <bdbaddog>	try swapping in activestate?
 165 19:30:40 <stevenknight>	that won't help test\option-j.py
 166 19:30:41 <bdbaddog>	which module is it trying to import?
 167 19:30:49 <garyo-home>	could do, but it needs to work on python.org too.
 168 19:30:54 <stevenknight>	threading.py
 169 19:31:19 <garyo-home>	Steven: I don't think my failures are the same.  I'm seeing mssdk is not defined.
 170 19:31:29 <stevenknight>	this raises another issue, which is that vs_revamp's use of subprocess to get the info
 171 19:32:01 <bdbaddog>	import threading works find on activestate python 2.5.2
 172 19:32:06 <stevenknight>	means we won't work on Windows Pythons that aren't compiled with threading
 173 19:32:14 <stevenknight>	bdbaddog:  it works fine for us, too
 174 19:32:24 <bdbaddog>	ahh o.k.
 175 19:32:14 <GregNoel>	(Note that there's a function in Action that wraps subprocess, if you can use it.)
 176 19:32:32 <stevenknight>	the issue is that test\option-j.py tries to force a test of falling back to working w/out threading
 177 19:32:42 <stevenknight>	by faking out the import with our own "module"
 178 19:32:40 <garyo-home>	Steven: my failure is at http://pastebin.com/d3a1654fd, is that same as yours or not?
 179 19:33:16 <stevenknight>	garyo-home:  d'oh!
 180 19:33:20 <garyo-home>	import threading works for me too... ?
 181 19:33:22 <stevenknight>	no, those are other errors
 182 19:33:47 <stevenknight>	i was working them this morning, but didn't get a chance to check them in before leaving for work
 183 19:33:51 <stevenknight>	hang on...
 184 19:34:34 <stevenknight>	garyo-home:  update and try again
 185 19:34:50 <garyo-home>	ok...
 186 19:35:16 <garyo-home>	option-j: now fails with your error ('threading' is not defined)
 187 19:35:16 <stevenknight>	i redid the SDK searching to add a new Tool/mssdk.py tool for independent discovery of the SDKs
 188 19:35:25 <stevenknight>	yeah
 189 19:35:32 <stevenknight>	i think we have to at least rewrite that test
 190 19:35:53 <stevenknight>	and decide that we're okay with requiring threading when SCons is run on Wiindows
 191 19:36:30 <garyo-home>	Well, I'm personally OK w/ it...
 192 19:36:36 <stevenknight>	since it seems threading is enabled in the python.org and activestate versions, that should be okay
 193 19:37:09 <stevenknight>	and people don't build custom Pythons on Windows as readily as they do for other platforms
 194 19:37:19 <stevenknight>	okay, I'll add a release note
 195 19:37:37 <stevenknight>	and a mention of it in the installation chapter of the User's Guide, too
 196 19:37:50 <stevenknight>	garyo-home:  do you also get a test\KeyboardInterrupt.py failure after update?
 197 19:38:20 <garyo-home>	Good plan.  now KeyboardInterrupt passes for me, I'm rerunning it to see if it passes twice, yes it passes both times.
 198 19:38:32 <stevenknight>	okay, i need to dig on that one
 199 19:38:37 <stevenknight>	it passes on my work system, too
 200 19:39:09 <stevenknight>	GregNoel's suggestion of timing is distinctly possible, my home system is kind of slow and under-powered
 201 19:39:27 <garyo-home>	Mine's zippy
 202 19:40:38 <stevenknight>	GregNoel:  re: wrapping subprocess
 203 19:40:42 <stevenknight>	a la Action.py
 204 19:40:51 <GregNoel>	yes?
 205 19:41:22 <stevenknight>	hang on, interrupt...
 206 19:41:46 *	GregNoel is hanging, but the rope is beginning to dig into his neck...
 207 19:42:08 <garyo-home>	funny.
 208 19:42:44 <stevenknight>	yeah, that might be what we have to do
 209 19:43:17 <stevenknight>	the hassle is that it's an import inside subprocess
 210 19:43:37 <stevenknight>	and i was really hoping we'd be able to migrate to using subprocess directly
 211 19:43:43 <stevenknight>	instead of Yet Another wrapper of our own devising
 212 19:43:59 <bdbaddog>	for 2.0?
 213 19:44:15 <stevenknight>	threading requirement for 2.0?  maybe
 214 19:44:27 <stevenknight>	well, except that vs_revamp is what needs this
 215 19:44:42 <stevenknight>	and that's the 1.3 pacing item
 216 19:45:11 <GregNoel>	(what's an import inside subprocess?  I'm missing something)
 217 19:45:19 <stevenknight>	import threading
 218 19:45:47 <GregNoel>	wait a sec...
 219 19:46:02 <stevenknight>	on Windows, it uses threads to handle the async communication in things like _communicate()
 220 19:46:41 <stevenknight>	hmm....
 221 19:46:49 <stevenknight>	hmmm....
 222 19:46:53 <GregNoel>	I was checking to see if there was a name change, but not...
 223 19:47:01 <stevenknight>	hmmmm.....
 224 19:47:35 <GregNoel>	Go for more m&m's!
 225 19:47:29 <stevenknight>	i may be able to sidestep this
 226 19:47:40 <stevenknight>	the threading is only used inside communicate()
 227 19:48:14 <stevenknight>	but we don't need to actually use communicate() to get the output from vcvars32.bat
 228 19:48:27 <stevenknight>	because we're not feeding anything to stdin
 229 19:48:35 <stevenknight>	so I think it's actually overkill
 230 19:48:41 <stevenknight>	okay, we're beating this to death
 231 19:48:45 <bdbaddog>	:)
 232 19:48:47 <stevenknight>	i have a plan on test\option-j.py
 233 19:49:08 <stevenknight>	i also have to tackle test\KeyboardInterrupt.py since it only shows up on my system
 234 19:49:24 <stevenknight>	garyo-home, you can repro the msvsTests.py failures?
 235 19:49:40 <stevenknight>	even after update?
 236 19:49:45 <garyo-home>	yes.  Want me to look into the cause?
 237 19:49:59 <stevenknight>	yeah, if you could tackle that, it'd be a definite help
 238 19:50:29 <garyo-home>	ok, will do.
 239 19:50:37 <stevenknight>	also both you and bdbaddog check if any other tests fail on any windows systems you have available
 240 19:50:50 <bdbaddog>	ok.
 241 19:50:56 <bdbaddog>	on vs_revamp right?
 242 19:51:02 <GregNoel>	(Hmmm...  If communicate() is called with only one pipe, it acts synchronously; no threading.)
 243 19:51:52 <stevenknight>	aha
 244 19:52:03 <stevenknight>	bdbaddog:  yes, branches/vs_revamp
 245 19:53:01 <stevenknight>	if we land it and release a checkpoint next week, then a 1.3 release candidate two weeks later, right?
 246 19:53:12 <GregNoel>	yes
 247 19:53:47 <GregNoel>	week of 23 Feb.
 248 19:53:49 <stevenknight>	so best bet, assuming Monday, yes, that puts us at...  February 30th!
 249 19:54:00 <stevenknight>	for 1.3
 250 19:54:04 <GregNoel>	yes
 251 19:54:25 <stevenknight>	okay, that sounds like the plan of record, then
 252 19:54:24 <GregNoel>	We'll slide, but it's a nice theory.
 253 19:54:30 <stevenknight>	right
 254 19:54:43 <stevenknight>	on to 2005q1 then?
 255 19:54:58 <GregNoel>	I'm ready; 1064?
 256 19:55:26 <GregNoel>	Can't put any issues in 1.x any more, 2.x p4?
 257 19:55:40 <stevenknight>	1064:  yes, 2.x p4
 258 19:55:51 <GregNoel>	works
 259 19:55:51 <stevenknight>	(I filled these out a long time ago)
 260 19:56:12 <garyo-home>	ok
 261 19:56:30 <stevenknight>	1065:  2.x p4 ?
 262 19:56:36 <garyo-home>	same.
 263 19:56:37 <GregNoel>	done
 264 19:56:59 <stevenknight>	1074:
 265 19:57:15 <stevenknight>	i'll go with 2.x p4 tbd on this, too
 266 19:57:23 <GregNoel>	done
 267 19:57:29 <garyo-home>	ok
 268 19:57:46 <stevenknight>	1078:
 269 19:57:48 <stevenknight>	sconf_revamp++
 270 19:57:58 <GregNoel>	1078, 3.x p3
 271 19:58:07 <stevenknight>	done
 272 19:58:18 <stevenknight>	that'll give us nice incentive to move along from 2.0 to 3.0... :-)
 273 19:58:59 <GregNoel>	There's 100+ issues in 2.x; it'll take a while.
 274 19:58:42 <stevenknight>	btw, GregNoel, thanks for bolding the appropriate rows in the spreadsheet
 275 19:58:55 <stevenknight>	really helps the navigability
 276 19:59:02 <GregNoel>	np
 277 19:59:31 <GregNoel>	1093
 278 19:59:49 <stevenknight>	"subst" keyword
 279 20:00:12 <garyo-home>	ok w/ that, prob 2.x?
 280 20:00:25 <stevenknight>	I'll add the keyword
 281 20:00:30 <GregNoel>	Sigh, I have a partial writeup of a wiki page discussing this, but it's nowhere near internally consistent enough to put out.
 282 20:00:58 <stevenknight>	2.x sounds right
 283 20:01:28 <stevenknight>	p2?
 284 20:01:33 <GregNoel>	I'll buy 2.x p2
 285 20:01:48 <garyo-home>	sold
 286 20:01:57 <stevenknight>	done
 287 20:02:02 <stevenknight>	1094:
 288 20:02:12 <garyo-home>	1094 looks like Greg to dup it and untangle
 289 20:02:14 <stevenknight>	dup GregNoel
 290 20:02:21 <GregNoel>	Gary has a comment about the subst keyword later; we'll get to it below.
 291 20:02:46 <GregNoel>	1094 2.x p4
 292 20:02:59 <stevenknight>	1094:  done
 293 20:03:26 <stevenknight>	1098:  i like the i18n keyword
 294 20:03:35 <GregNoel>	1098 is nasty
 295 20:03:39 <stevenknight>	or unicode, whichever
 296 20:03:42 <stevenknight>	agreed re: nasty
 297 20:04:00 <bdbaddog>	4.x
 298 20:04:56 <garyo-home>	unicode is more correct
 299 20:05:16 <GregNoel>	yes, unicode is not the same as i18n
 300 20:05:03 <stevenknight>	1098:  future, unicode keyword
 301 20:05:45 <GregNoel>	I hate to push it out that far, but I can't think of how to deal with it, either.
 302 20:06:07 <stevenknight>	agreed on both counts
 303 20:06:06 <garyo-home>	GSoC?
 304 20:06:20 <GregNoel>	garyo-home, hmmm...
 305 20:06:30 <garyo-home>	just a thought.
 306 20:06:57 <stevenknight>	hey, if the right brilliant student shows up
 307 20:06:59 <GregNoel>	I'll put it on my GSoC list and see if I can figure something out.
 308 20:07:20 <stevenknight>	i think we could write it up to sound like an attractive tough problem to solve
 309 20:08:10 <GregNoel>	We get so few students, I'd put other things as a higher priority, but it might be OK.
 310 20:07:58 <stevenknight>	have we reached consensus?
 311 20:08:27 <GregNoel>	no consensus I see; defer until next time?
 312 20:08:34 <stevenknight>	okay
 313 20:09:06 <bdbaddog>	I'd say make it future.  We've not had a lot of request for this have we?
 314 20:09:14 <bdbaddog>	unicode that is.
 315 20:09:37 <stevenknight>	bdbaddog:  we can go into more depth next week
 316 20:09:46 <bdbaddog>	k.
 317 20:09:47 <GregNoel>	It's because a filename has unicode characters in it.
 318 20:09:01 <stevenknight>	1107:  2.1 p3
 319 20:09:04 <stevenknight>	and split into parts?
 320 20:10:08 <GregNoel>	1107, I'll untangle it.
 321 20:10:03 <garyo-home>	What is the point of 1107?
 322 20:10:30 <GregNoel>	gcc -include xxx.h on the command line.
 323 20:10:39 <garyo-home>	oh, got it.
 324 20:11:18 <GregNoel>	1107, I'll untangle it?
 325 20:11:35 <bdbaddog>	+1
 326 20:11:36 <garyo-home>	agree, you do that, then 2.x p3 for the parts?
 327 20:11:46 <stevenknight>	i'm okay with that
 328 20:11:51 <stevenknight>	or re-triaging the parts separately next week
 329 20:11:50 <GregNoel>	Or do we want me to try untangling it and review it next time?
 330 20:12:00 <garyo-home>	that's fine w/ me too.
 331 20:12:05 <bdbaddog>	+1 on untangle and retriage
 332 20:12:08 <GregNoel>	OK, I'll do that
 333 20:12:28 <GregNoel>	1116, no clue
 334 20:13:01 <garyo-home>	1116, it thinks there's going to be a .exp file but there isn't one.
 335 20:13:21 <garyo-home>	emitter bug in mingw, or mingw not clearing out some var from msvc most likely
 336 20:13:44 <GregNoel>	(Here's Gary's comment about what the subst keyword should cover.)
 337 20:14:45 <garyo-home>	1116, not a huge prob because of easy workaround (you don't typically install all the files resulting from a SharedLibrary call anyway)
 338 20:14:54 <garyo-home>	2.x p4 tbd?
 339 20:15:06 <GregNoel>	done
 340 20:15:09 <stevenknight>	done
 341 20:15:26 <GregNoel>	last one, 1126
 342 20:15:31 <stevenknight>	1120?
 343 20:15:52 <stevenknight>	i think 1120 is what you meant re: gary's subst comment?
 344 20:15:53 <GregNoel>	Oops, I was one ahead
 345 20:16:13 <stevenknight>	1120:  2.x p3 subst keyword?
 346 20:16:15 <garyo-home>	Yes.  1120, patch is pretty simple and non-intrusive
 347 20:16:35 <garyo-home>	It only does anything if the cmd ends with \
 348 20:16:43 <GregNoel>	Is Jim still around?  Who should contact him?
 349 20:17:03 <stevenknight>	either you or me
 350 20:17:14 <GregNoel>	hmmm, you?
 351 20:17:41 <stevenknight>	okay
 352 20:17:47 <GregNoel>	I wrote him around Christmas and got no reply
 353 20:18:17 <stevenknight>	i'll check, and if i get no reply, too, then we should probably reassign
 354 20:18:26 <GregNoel>	concur
 355 20:18:27 <stevenknight>	actually, that's true for a number of people we haven't heard from
 356 20:18:45 <stevenknight>	but that's yet *another* topic for another time
 357 20:18:53 <GregNoel>	yes, I just heard from Ludwig; he's busy but hoping to spend some time on SCons
 358 20:19:03 <garyo-home>	Greg: good news.
 359 20:18:42 <garyo-home>	1120: Anyone could do this one.  Even the testcase should be easy.
 360 20:19:16 <stevenknight>	garyo-home:  would 1120 be good for your spare-half-hour back burner?
 361 20:19:35 <garyo-home>	sure, why not.  It's windows after all :-/
 362 20:19:42 <stevenknight>	okay
 363 20:19:59 <GregNoel>	done; what milestone and priority?
 364 20:20:02 <stevenknight>	1120:  2.x p3 garyo-home subst keyword
 365 20:20:07 <GregNoel>	done
 366 20:20:11 <garyo-home>	good
 367 20:20:17 <GregNoel>	now the last one...
 368 20:20:33 <stevenknight>	1126:  agree w/Greg's plan
 369 20:20:48 <stevenknight>	merge w/2079
 370 20:20:48 <GregNoel>	done, and that's all
 371 20:20:57 <stevenknight>	okay, i have to run
 372 20:21:02 <garyo-home>	good job guys!
 373 20:21:09 <bdbaddog>	:)
 374 20:21:17 <stevenknight>	great that we're now well down below 50 to classify...
 375 20:21:19 <GregNoel>	Great job; we only have 2004 left now
 376 20:21:22 <garyo-home>	ok, I'll run my tests & get you results tomorrow.
 377 20:21:27 <bdbaddog>	ditto
 378 20:21:33 <stevenknight>	thanks
 379 20:21:33 <bdbaddog>	running now.
 380 20:21:35 <GregNoel>	G'night all
 381 20:21:39 <garyo-home>	night.
 382 20:21:39 <bdbaddog>	night
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 384 20:21:48 *	GregNoel has been marked as being away
 385 20:21:49 <stevenknight>	GregNoel:  are you planning to add 2004 spreadsheets?
 386 20:22:10 <GregNoel>	Already have; info just not pushed over to scons.org yet.
 387 20:22:22 <stevenknight>	okay, i'll look for those
 388 20:22:30 <stevenknight>	thanks
 389 20:22:34 <stevenknight>	i have to run myself...
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