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   1 16:48:28 *	garyo-home (n=chatzill@209-6-158-38.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #scons
   2 16:49:09 <garyo-home>	Hi, Greg.
   3 16:59:36 <GregNoel>	Hi.  Steven said he would be late; anyone else here for the bug party?  Still a minute to go.
   4 17:00:56 <garyo-home>	hmm, maybe it's just us?
   5 17:01:05 <GregNoel>	Yup.
   6 17:01:13 <garyo-home>	Need a bit more of a quorum than that I think.
   7 17:01:24 <garyo-home>	Anyway I'm looking at some of the 2007q2 issues...
   8 17:01:20 <GregNoel>	Do you want to go back and work some issues while we wait?
   9 17:01:39 <garyo-home>	shall we just wait a few minutes?
  10 17:01:45 <GregNoel>	yup.
  11 17:31:12 *	stevenknight (n=stevenkn@c-69-181-234-155.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #scons
  12 17:31:23 <GregNoel>	Hi, Steven
  13 17:31:26 <stevenknight>	hey
  14 17:31:27 <garyo-home>	Hi Steven!
  15 17:31:44 <stevenknight>	which spreadsheet and # are we on?
  16 17:32:00 <GregNoel>	Waiting for you; first one of current issues.
  17 17:32:09 <garyo-home>	Hi Steven -- it's just Greg & me so we were waiting for you.
  18 17:32:55 <stevenknight>	okay
  19 17:33:18 <garyo-home>	Shall we just start w/ the new ones, then?
  20 17:33:25 <GregNoel>	2087
  21 17:33:39 <stevenknight>	1.x, no one's weighed in on priority so... p3?
  22 17:33:52 <garyo-home>	ok w/ me
  23 17:33:55 <stevenknight>	question is who
  24 17:34:22 <GregNoel>	As I indicated, I don't think Mark has experience with Python.
  25 17:34:24 <stevenknight>	ah, just saw the note re: Flacy
  26 17:34:38 <GregNoel>	He's probably good with advice, but not programming.
  27 17:34:37 <garyo-home>	So that means Rob I guess?
  28 17:34:45 <GregNoel>	Yes, Rob.
  29 17:34:50 <stevenknight>	sure
  30 17:34:59 <stevenknight>	1.x, p3, rob ... done
  31 17:35:04 <GregNoel>	ok, done, next
  32 17:35:32 <garyo-home>	2088: easy, but needs testing.  Who has Java?
  33 17:35:54 <GregNoel>	Not me
  34 17:35:49 <stevenknight>	i'm creating a VM that anyone can run with a reasonable subset of necessary tools
  35 17:35:53 <stevenknight>	including Java 1.5 and 1.6
  36 17:36:04 <garyo-home>	ah, good.  Linux + Java?
  37 17:36:10 <stevenknight>	yeah, ubuntu
  38 17:36:14 <garyo-home>	excellent
  39 17:36:28 <stevenknight>	starting with JEOS == Just Enough Operating System
  40 17:36:30 <garyo-home>	I just made an ubuntu vm for doing scons doc w/ all the doc tools
  41 17:36:47 <stevenknight>	did you start with workstation?
  42 17:37:00 <garyo-home>	I got a prebuilt 8.04 from somewhere.
  43 17:37:12 <stevenknight>	ah, i bet i know which one
  44 17:37:14 <garyo-home>	it's kind of bloated.
  45 17:37:13 <GregNoel>	And I obviously need to get a VM to run Mac Classic
  46 17:37:32 <garyo-home>	GregNoel: :-) :-)
  47 17:37:56 <GregNoel>	garyo-home, well, I still want to play Civ II :-(
  48 17:38:00 <garyo-home>	anyway, so 2088 can be done easily & tested on this vm?
  49 17:38:11 <stevenknight>	Ken volunteered off-line to make bandwidth available for people to download the VM
  50 17:38:21 <garyo-home>	Greg: I just fired up my Amiga 1000 for my 9-year-old, he loves it
  51 17:38:42 <GregNoel>	Hmmm, I wonder if my Amigas still work...
  52 17:38:30 <stevenknight>	yes, VM should be good for testing
  53 17:38:50 <garyo-home>	Stevenknight: I'll d/l & try it.  Ken should put the pointer on the dev list.
  54 17:39:14 <stevenknight>	it's not there yet, but I'll get with him and get it set up
  55 17:39:33 <garyo-home>	OK.  I don't want to be the "java guy" though, I know nothing about it.
  56 17:39:33 <GregNoel>	so 2088, gary, when?
  57 17:39:35 <stevenknight>	after 0.98.5 is out (sourceforge *finally* got the release system working again this afternoon)
  58 17:39:42 <stevenknight>	2088:  gary, 1.x, p4
  59 17:39:43 <garyo-home>	1.x p3
  60 17:39:47 <stevenknight>	p3
  61 17:39:51 <stevenknight>	i meant to say... :-)
  62 17:39:56 <GregNoel>	done
  63 17:40:23 <GregNoel>	2089
  64 17:40:47 <stevenknight>	2089:  do we have a NEEDSMOREINFO for kicking something back to the filing user?
  65 17:41:08 <GregNoel>	no, "research" is best, with a comment
  66 17:41:25 <garyo-home>	ok w/ me
  67 17:41:39 <GregNoel>	I'll kick it back and we'll re-triage it next time?
  68 17:41:29 <stevenknight>	okay, i'd say "research" and Russel
  69 17:41:57 <stevenknight>	or whenever he updates with more info, i really want to understand what he expected
  70 17:42:37 <stevenknight>	i think he expected it to select the compiler, but i'm not sure
  71 17:42:45 <stevenknight>	if so, then it's a feature request
  72 17:42:36 <GregNoel>	done
  73 17:42:41 <GregNoel>	2090
  74 17:42:53 <garyo-home>	ok, 2090?  I'm staying out of this one.
  75 17:43:31 <GregNoel>	Uh, I'm not sure what to say
  76 17:43:35 <stevenknight>	2090:  i think a doc issue re: LANG for 1.0, p3
  77 17:43:47 <garyo-home>	ok w/ me
  78 17:43:50 <GregNoel>	OK
  79 17:43:53 <stevenknight>	and a new issue to track adding a warning
  80 17:44:02 <stevenknight>	probably 1.x, p2 (?)
  81 17:44:15 <GregNoel>	Where should the note be, under env.Java()?
  82 17:44:35 <garyo-home>	that's where I'd look.
  83 17:44:47 <GregNoel>	I'm not sure we need a warning
  84 17:45:18 <garyo-home>	not a big deal for me, doc is ok
  85 17:45:27 <stevenknight>	okay, makes life simpler all around
  86 17:45:39 <stevenknight>	then 1.0, p3, doc
  87 17:45:47 <GregNoel>	done
  88 17:45:57 <garyo-home>	2091: add new optional arg?
  89 17:46:15 <garyo-home>	1.x p3?  I'll do it.
  90 17:46:26 <stevenknight>	works for me
  91 17:46:36 <stevenknight>	one thing just occurred to me, though...
  92 17:46:53 <stevenknight>	isn't AppendUnique(keep_existing=True) just a different name for Append()???
  93 17:47:17 <garyo-home>	No, it would do nothing if it exists rather than deleting the old copy and appending.
  94 17:47:21 <garyo-home>	(right?)
  95 17:47:33 <stevenknight>	but it doesn't delete the old copy
  96 17:47:40 <GregNoel>	the option would have to be changed; existing semantics are those of keep_existing
  97 17:47:49 <stevenknight>	that's why Greg was saying AppendUnique() keeps the left-most
  98 17:48:02 <stevenknight>	at least I don't think it does... let me check...
  99 17:48:18 <GregNoel>	The option would have to be, ah, delete_existing or some such
 100 17:48:32 <stevenknight>	replace=
 101 17:48:57 <GregNoel>	replace what??
 102 17:49:07 <stevenknight>	make the keyword replace=
 103 17:49:23 <stevenknight>	oh, wait, that would imply replacing in place, not deleting the old and appending the new
 104 17:49:25 <GregNoel>	It's not a replacement, either.  The existing is deleted.
 105 17:49:31 <stevenknight>	right
 106 17:50:09 <GregNoel>	so 2091, 1.x p2, gary?
 107 17:50:24 <stevenknight>	yes
 108 17:50:33 <garyo-home>	ok, what was the resolution on the keyword name?
 109 17:50:34 <stevenknight>	Gary, you all right with naming it "replace_existing="?
 110 17:50:40 <stevenknight>	wrong
 111 17:50:47 <stevenknight>	"delete_existing="
 112 17:51:06 <garyo-home>	yes, that's fine w/ me.  Defaults to false.
 113 17:51:21 <stevenknight>	right
 114 17:51:23 <GregNoel>	done
 115 17:51:32 <GregNoel>	2094, I'll buy p5
 116 17:51:53 <garyo-home>	sure
 117 17:52:01 <stevenknight>	2093:  1.0, doc, Gary
 118 17:52:10 <garyo-home>	yes, I assumed that.
 119 17:52:23 <stevenknight>	2094:  1.x, p5, Benoit
 120 17:52:58 <GregNoel>	works for me
 121 17:53:34 <stevenknight>	okay, enough time to start the next spreadsheet?
 122 17:53:35 <garyo-home>	OK, on to 2007q2 I guess?
 123 17:53:48 <stevenknight>	yes
 124 17:54:33 <stevenknight>	1615:  already consensus
 125 17:54:34 <GregNoel>	1643 is first
 126 17:54:39 <stevenknight>	1617:  already consensus
 127 17:54:42 <garyo-home>	we skip the DONE ones, move right to 1643?
 128 17:54:42 <stevenknight>	ah
 129 17:55:01 <stevenknight>	oh, hey, there's DONE strings there...  :-)
 130 17:55:04 <stevenknight>	nice
 131 17:55:25 <garyo-home>	Brandon said he updated it, maybe that was a different ticket or something?
 132 17:55:42 <garyo-home>	I think get more info from user.
 133 17:55:50 <GregNoel>	must have been
 134 17:56:11 <garyo-home>	pretty weird behavior though.
 135 17:56:13 <stevenknight>	agree:  research, Brandon
 136 17:56:21 <GregNoel>	OK
 137 17:56:59 <garyo-home>	1644
 138 17:57:17 <garyo-home>	Greg, I like your idea of starting all out blank, but it's impractical for now, agreed?
 139 17:57:32 <stevenknight>	that's 1.x p2
 140 17:57:36 <garyo-home>	I say just fix this one case for now in 1.x p2.
 141 17:57:53 <stevenknight>	agree with both of you re: both __RPATH and public variables starting blank
 142 17:58:38 *	GregNoel has been overrun by rugrats; wait a sec
 143 17:58:41 <garyo-home>	ok, so David, 1.x, p2, in the Conservatory, with the Knife?
 144 17:58:47 <garyo-home>	:-)
 145 17:58:58 <stevenknight>	yes
 146 17:59:59 <GregNoel>	ok, 1644, not completely impractical, but it should be a policy; move toward it in the future.
 147 18:00:12 <garyo-home>	agreed.
 148 18:00:24 <GregNoel>	yes, 1.x p2, David
 149 18:00:37 <GregNoel>	1646
 150 18:00:32 <garyo-home>	1646: Ludwig GSoC sounds good to me.
 151 18:00:42 <GregNoel>	done
 152 18:00:45 <stevenknight>	ludwig gsoc++
 153 18:01:23 <GregNoel>	1660, close
 154 18:01:53 <garyo-home>	yup
 155 18:02:20 <stevenknight>	yes, close
 156 18:02:23 <GregNoel>	done
 157 18:02:36 <GregNoel>	1681
 158 18:02:48 <garyo-home>	1661: Steven, does VS cleanup possibly include using bat files to get env vars?
 159 18:02:56 <garyo-home>	Or is it two separate things?
 160 18:03:34 <stevenknight>	includes .bat files
 161 18:03:59 <garyo-home>	ok, I'm a big VS user so if you do it I'll help.
 162 18:04:16 <GregNoel>	collaboration++
 163 18:04:19 <stevenknight>	yeah, it's turning into a case of when in Rome...
 164 18:04:29 <garyo-home>	stevenknight: exactly.
 165 18:05:15 <stevenknight>	never thought that i'd have to become such a Windows geek, though... :-)
 166 18:05:42 <garyo-home>	sorry, happens to the best of us
 167 18:05:45 <stevenknight>	looks like that's it for 2007q2
 168 18:06:14 <GregNoel>	1662?
 169 18:06:29 <garyo-home>	2.x p2?
 170 18:06:39 <stevenknight>	ah, skipped one
 171 18:06:45 <stevenknight>	yeah, 2.x p2
 172 18:06:46 <GregNoel>	more than one
 173 18:07:00 <stevenknight>	oh, wow, so we did
 174 18:07:17 <GregNoel>	We???
 175 18:07:29 <stevenknight>	good point
 176 18:07:34 <stevenknight>	"me"
 177 18:07:40 <stevenknight>	must have scrolled down too far...
 178 18:07:58 <GregNoel>	Sometimes it scrolls in pieces; that's bit me before
 179 18:08:10 <stevenknight>	no, waitaminnit, someone above mentioned 1681...  :-)
 180 18:08:25 <GregNoel>	typo
 181 18:08:34 <stevenknight>	aha
 182 18:08:48 <GregNoel>	next line says 1661, which was correct
 183 18:08:59 <GregNoel>	my eyes are too old to read that tiny type
 184 18:09:21 <garyo-home>	anyway, 1662 is i18n, 2.x p2?
 185 18:09:30 <stevenknight>	okay, 1662 2.x p2
 186 18:09:37 <GregNoel>	I'll buy it
 187 18:09:55 <GregNoel>	1663?
 188 18:09:59 <garyo-home>	then 1663, latex, 2.x unless a patch magically appears?
 189 18:10:01 <stevenknight>	1663:  2.x, Rob, encourage WONTFIX
 190 18:10:09 <GregNoel>	works for me
 191 18:10:33 <garyo-home>	1667: would be nice if we had a contrib/ folder, but not until 2.0 IMHO
 192 18:11:24 <stevenknight>	agree re: contrib/
 193 18:11:35 <GregNoel>	1667 is DONE; 1673?
 194 18:11:39 <stevenknight>	make a bunch of the wiki stuff more accessible / useful
 195 18:11:47 <stevenknight>	1673:  1.0.x, p1
 196 18:11:58 <stevenknight>	who?
 197 18:11:59 <garyo-home>	ok w me
 198 18:12:14 <GregNoel>	done
 199 18:12:43 <garyo-home>	1674 is trivial I think
 200 18:13:02 <GregNoel>	DONE
 201 18:13:22 <GregNoel>	1675?
 202 18:13:26 <garyo-home>	1675 I already replied to him
 203 18:13:37 <garyo-home>	just wait & see now.
 204 18:13:43 <GregNoel>	Yeah, and I think you're right
 205 18:13:50 <stevenknight>	1675:  probably end up closing, i don't think there's a SCons problem here
 206 18:13:59 <garyo-home>	agree
 207 18:14:01 <stevenknight>	but okay to wait until he replies (if he does)
 208 18:14:14 <GregNoel>	Defer until next week?
 209 18:14:32 <garyo-home>	ok.  Or could close, and let user reopen if they still care?
 210 18:14:39 <garyo-home>	(Can users reopen tickets?)
 211 18:15:08 <GregNoel>	I think so; Bugzilla could
 212 18:15:09 <stevenknight>	good question, i thought they can, but don't really know
 213 18:15:24 <garyo-home>	anyway safer to defer for a week anyway.
 214 18:15:36 <garyo-home>	... anyway.  didn't say that enough in the last line, anyway.
 215 18:15:55 <garyo-home>	1679 dup?
 216 18:15:59 <GregNoel>	DONE
 217 18:16:08 <stevenknight>	done
 218 18:16:09 <garyo-home>	1681 consensus
 219 18:16:15 <GregNoel>	next quarter, or break here?
 220 18:16:32 <stevenknight>	now, i think we've finished 2007q2...
 221 18:16:36 <garyo-home>	I should go I'm afraid.
 222 18:16:43 <stevenknight>	me too
 223 18:16:49 <GregNoel>	OK, what about next week?
 224 18:16:50 <stevenknight>	same time next week...?
 225 18:16:57 <GregNoel>	I have a conflict...
 226 18:16:58 <garyo-home>	see you all next wk, I can do it then.
 227 18:17:05 <garyo-home>	Greg: different night better?
 228 18:17:15 <GregNoel>	I'll have to leave before 18 o'clock
 229 18:17:23 <stevenknight>	Greg:  another ntime Monday or another night?
 230 18:17:33 <GregNoel>	let me check
 231 18:17:39 <stevenknight>	i'm okay with 17h00 - 18h00
 232 18:18:12 <garyo-home>	that's the usual time, right?
 233 18:18:14 <GregNoel>	Tuesday is OK
 234 18:18:19 *	garyo-home does time math in head...
 235 18:18:22 <stevenknight>	right
 236 18:18:26 <stevenknight>	usual time
 237 18:18:35 <garyo-home>	I can do Tuesday usual time also.
 238 18:18:52 <stevenknight>	let's go with Tuesday then
 239 18:18:54 <garyo-home>	Let's try to get more attendance next time.  Mailing list reminder?
 240 18:19:01 <stevenknight>	yes
 241 18:19:21 <GregNoel>	multiple reminders
 242 18:19:00 <GregNoel>	Wednesday the 18th I leave for ten days; the party after next you're on your own.
 243 18:19:35 <stevenknight>	GregNoel:  maybe I should prep next week's spreadsheets so you're available if questions come up
 244 18:19:41 <stevenknight>	or gary
 245 18:20:01 <GregNoel>	I'm preparing a wiki page; should be ready soon
 246 18:20:05 <garyo-home>	I'm getting very busy at work, 3 new empl's including new CEO this wk...
 247 18:20:15 <garyo-home>	I'll try to keep up my end of things though.
 248 18:20:22 <stevenknight>	wow, congratulations on the expansion
 249 18:20:38 <garyo-home>	thx, it's exciting but as VP/eng I'm in the thick of it.
 250 18:20:37 <stevenknight>	did you do an exec search for CEO?
 251 18:20:48 <garyo-home>	yes, big exec search.
 252 18:21:00 <GregNoel>	So he's fat? {;-}
 253 18:21:12 <stevenknight>	who handled it for you?  one of the big national recruiting firms or a local?
 254 18:21:16 <garyo-home>	we're up to 13 people, 3 engineers and a new database guy.
 255 18:21:43 <garyo-home>	Steven: a guy our investors recommended, name slips my mind atm...
 256 18:21:53 <stevenknight>	np
 257 18:22:02 <stevenknight>	that's really cool, glad to hear things are going well
 258 18:22:08 <garyo-home>	Todd Savage.
 259 18:22:21 <garyo-home>	He was good, but not cheap.
 260 18:22:42 <garyo-home>	Greg, just saw yr comment :-)
 261 18:22:59 <garyo-home>	& actually no, *she*'s thin.
 262 18:23:04 <GregNoel>	Wasn't that funny in retrospect
 263 18:23:17 <garyo-home>	that's irc for you.
 264 18:23:47 <garyo-home>	anyway guys, have a good week, I'll try to squash a few of my bugs this week.
 265 18:23:58 <GregNoel>	<splat!>
 266 18:24:02 <garyo-home>	:-)
 267 18:24:12 <garyo-home>	c ya
 268 18:24:14 <GregNoel>	bye
 269 18:24:20 <stevenknight>	okay, thanks
 270 18:24:22 <stevenknight>	later
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